Dáil debates
Wednesday, 13 May 2015
Order of Business
12:30 pm
Róisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Independent)
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A Cheann Comhairle-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am sorry, but I am calling the Taoiseach on the Order of Business.
Róisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Independent)
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On a point of order-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will the Deputy, please, resume her seat?
Róisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Independent)
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I am asking the Taoiseach to withdraw the disrespectful comment he made to Deputy Ruth Coppinger.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am not in a position to comment because I did not hear it.
Róisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Independent)
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The rest of us heard it.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The microphones were turned off and I am not in a position to comment.
Róisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Independent)
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Deputy Ruth Coppinger asked a simple question, "What is the point of Leaders' Questions?"
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will the Deputy, please, resume her seat? Otherwise, I will have to suspend the sitting again. It is as simple as that.
Róisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Independent)
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The Taoiseach said, "To tell you where to go".
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy is not getting away with it and, with the greatest of respect to her, it is none of her business. Deputy Paul Murphy was on his feet.
Marcella Corcoran Kennedy (Laois-Offaly, Fine Gael)
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It is time wasting.
Róisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Independent)
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Everybody in this House should be treated with respect.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will the Deputy, please, resume her seat?
Róisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Independent)
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The Taoiseach was out of order.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am suspending the sitting for a further ten minutes.
12:35 pm
Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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A Cheann Comhairle-----
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Round 3.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call the Taoiseach to announce the Order of Business.
Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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-----on a point of order, will you ask the Taoiseach to clarify-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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There is no point of order on Leaders' Questions. You were not involved with Leaders' Questions so therefore there is no point of order about Leaders' Questions.
Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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There was a remark directed at us.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will you please resume your seat? Thank you very much.
Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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I am just asking if the Ceann Comhairle will ask the Taoiseach to clarify or withdraw it?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I did not hear the remark. I suggest that you read the record to establish what the Taoiseach replied to.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I can clarify it.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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If Deputy Coppinger has a difficulty, she may formally write to the Committee on Procedure and Privileges and the matter will be dealt with. Please resume your seat.
Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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So some Deputies are more important than others in this House.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That comment should be withdrawn.
Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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So I have to withdraw the comment.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Yes.
Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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That is hilarious.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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It accuses the Chair of bias.
Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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This is a farce, an absolute farce.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy should learn some manners as well as the Standing Orders.
Paul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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Hear, hear.
Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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You are not interested in it.
Brendan Ryan (Dublin North, Labour)
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We are sick of it.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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As the business listed for today has already been brought to a conclusion,-----
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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What?
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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-----the sitting shall be suspended immediately after Topical Issues until 7.30 p.m., whereupon Private Members' business, which shall be No. 187 - motion re planning regulation (resumed), shall be taken and shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 90 minutes.
Tomorrow's business after oral questions shall be No. 34, Statute Law Revision Bill 2015 - Order for Report, Report and Final Stages; and No. 35, statements on the implementation of the national dementia strategy. It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that the following arrangements shall apply to No. 35: the statement of a Minister or Minister of State and of the main spokespersons for Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin and the Technical Group, who shall be called upon in that order, shall not exceed ten minutes in each case and such Members may share time; the statement of each other Member called upon shall not exceed ten minutes in each case and such Members may share time; and a Minister or Minister of State shall be called upon to make a statement in reply that shall not exceed ten minutes.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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There is one proposal to be put to the House. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 35 agreed?
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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No. The Taoiseach announced something about suspending the Dáil.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Sorry, but I am dealing with a proposal being put to the House.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I am opposing it.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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It relates to the statements on the dementia strategy. The Deputy is opposing it.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Yes. With the greatest respect, we have just heard an announcement that the Dáil is to be suspended and it is reasonable-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is a separate issue. You can deal with it separately.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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There is only one issue being put to the House.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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This must be put to the House.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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This proposal is the only mechanism I have to raise the issue.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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It concerns tomorrow's business.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Taoiseach is proposing that the House be suspended.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy is out of order. I am putting a proposal-----
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I am opposing it.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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-----to the House. Will the Deputy speak to the proposal?
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Yes. I am opposing it because the House was suspended prior to Leaders' Questions this morning.
Bernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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Yes.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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That was for the want of business.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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It has nothing to do with the proposal.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Let me speak, a Cheann Comhairle.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The proposal is that the arrangements for the statements on the implementation of the national dementia strategy tomorrow be agreed.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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This is to deal with the order of the House.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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If you wish to speak to the proposal, you are entitled to do so. You are not entitled to start talking in general.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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With the greatest respect, a Cheann Comhairle, I am the leader of the Fianna Fáil Party-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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With the greatest respect, it is my duty-----
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----and I would like to know the timetable for today. The Taoiseach has just said the Dáil is to be suspended.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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It is a different issue.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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It is not a different issue.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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You can deal with it after I have dealt with this item.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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This is impossible. A bit of civility would sort this out very quickly, a Cheann Comhairle.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I have to put this proposal to the House.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Out of the blue, the Taoiseach has come in here to do this. I just want to get some clarity. The Ceann Comhairle is putting me in a very difficult position. I do not want to be having a row with the Chair.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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You can raise the issue after I put this formally to the House.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I want to find out what the order of the House-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Resume your seat until we deal with this proposal.
Gerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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Are we dealing with the Order of Business now?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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No, I am dealing with the proposal regarding the statements tomorrow.
Gerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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I understand that. Has the Taoiseach suspended the Order of Business?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Any issues can be raised on the Order of Business after we deal with this proposal.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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He is proposing a suspension.
Regina Doherty (Meath East, Fine Gael)
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Look at the Order Paper.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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This is the proposal for No. 35, statements on the implementation of the national dementia strategy tomorrow.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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He did say it.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is that agreed? This is the issue.
Gerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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A Cheann Comhairle, the problem is-----
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Taoiseach announced that the House would be suspended.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is a separate matter.
Gerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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Will the Taoiseach repeat-----
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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What does that mean?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call Deputy Adams.
Gerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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It is simple. Will the Taoiseach repeat what he said earlier? What exactly is being suspended?
James Bannon (Longford-Westmeath, Fine Gael)
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This shows how weak is the Opposition.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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What was said earlier is nothing to do with the proposal being put to the House now.
Gerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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I understand that.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We can deal with that in a moment.
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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We will get to it.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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That is the point. We will not.
Willie O'Dea (Limerick City, Fianna Fail)
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We are dealing with tomorrow before today.
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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This is unbelievable.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is the proposal regarding the statements tomorrow agreed? Agreed.
Willie O'Dea (Limerick City, Fianna Fail)
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What about today?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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On the Order of Business, I call Deputy Martin.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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This is unsatisfactory.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Hold on, what is unsatisfactory about me putting a proposal about statements tomorrow?
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Does the Ceann Comhairle consider this is satisfactory? It is okay if he thinks the House is happy.
Marcella Corcoran Kennedy (Laois-Offaly, Fine Gael)
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What is unsatisfactory about it?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Do not be-----
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Is it not reasonable-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Taoiseach made an announcement about the suspension and that has nothing to do with me as Ceann Comhairle. The Taoiseach has announced that the Dáil will stand suspended-----
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Until when?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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-----until 7.30 p.m.?
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Does the Taoiseach not think it is significant?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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It is not for me to comment.
Willie O'Dea (Limerick City, Fianna Fail)
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May we not comment?
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I want to make the point on the Order of Business.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy should resume his seat, as somebody else is speaking.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I put it to the Taoiseach-----
Emmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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The Opposition was not here.
Regina Doherty (Meath East, Fine Gael)
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Where were the Fianna Fáil Members this morning for the Workplace Relations Bill?
Simon Harris (Wicklow, Fine Gael)
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They did not turn up.
Willie O'Dea (Limerick City, Fianna Fail)
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We were here.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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We have been here all morning.
Simon Harris (Wicklow, Fine Gael)
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They would not turn up.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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We have been here all morning. It is the first I-----
Bernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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They were not here.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I have been here since Leaders' Questions.
Bernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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No, before that.
Regina Doherty (Meath East, Fine Gael)
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What about before that?
Simon Harris (Wicklow, Fine Gael)
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The party's spokesperson did not turn up.
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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What time?
Regina Doherty (Meath East, Fine Gael)
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There was nobody from Fianna Fáil here.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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There was no-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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It is a matter of an announcement by the Taoiseach that the Dáil will be suspended until 7.30 p.m.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I will tell Deputies where I am coming from.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Unless the Deputy has a matter he wishes to raise in the normal way on the Order of Business, I will have to move on.
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Closing down.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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This relates to how the business of the House is ordered. After the May bank holiday weekend, we had business for one and a half days in that week. There seems to be a pattern emerging in the past while of inactivity and a lack of legislation in the House.
Emmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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There has been much legislation.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Apparently-----
Emmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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It was dealt with in the absence of Fianna Fáil.
Regina Doherty (Meath East, Fine Gael)
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Where were they this morning?
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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May I not speak?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputies, please. I will deal with this.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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The fascists are having their time now.
Emmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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They were all-----
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Keep interrupting.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I will deal with the issue of procedure.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thank you. What is the matter being raised by Deputy Martin on the Order of Business?
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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So you are going to silence me now, is that it?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am not going to silence you.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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May I put a point to the Taoiseach?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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All I am saying is that the Taoiseach has made an announcement. That is all.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I am raising an issue on the Order of Business.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Go ahead.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Thank you. I have been heckled and you would be far better off if you told Deputy Stagg not to be heckling and interrupting.
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Hear, hear.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I will not take that sort of a lecture from you.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I have been heckled around the place.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I will not take a lecture from you.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I am not giving a lecture. It is unacceptable that I cannot get out a sentence but people are heckling left, right and centre.
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Hear, hear.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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That is tolerated.
Willie O'Dea (Limerick City, Fianna Fail)
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Yes.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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It is not tolerated.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I have been here for the past 25 minutes-----
Willie O'Dea (Limerick City, Fianna Fail)
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It is heckling.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----trying to get issues raised on the Order of Business.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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You can blame other Deputies for that.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Fair enough. These issues can be dealt with.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Please proceed with what you want to raise on the Order of Business.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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It is the legislative programme that the Government has put before the House and the Government's proposals for the House. Over the past while there has been a pattern of inactivity and meeting as few times as possible. The proposal from the Government Chief Whip for next week is to meet on one day, next Tuesday. The week following the June bank holiday is to be taken off.
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Outrageous.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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There is a clear pattern. The Government is shutting down the Dáil for its political and electoral reasons. We have more of that today as well. It is a key issue. It is not good enough for the Taoiseach to come here and tell us we are adjourning everything until 7.30 p.m.
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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We are getting a half-day.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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There are other issues pertaining to the Order of Business and we could discuss them today. For example, on Monday, The Irish Times revealed the HSE submission on health funding and what it wants for the health budget this year.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We cannot discuss that.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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On the Order of Business, I asked time and again leading up to the budget and afterwards for that submission. I kept saying "Will you give me the HSE submission?" so we could have a proper and honest debate about the health budget. The Taoiseach refused.
It was only by order of the information officer that The Irish Timesreceived the HSE's submission on the budget. We have the Minister for self-importance, Deputy Brendan Howlin, announcing freedom of information legislation and saying the Government will give all of the information we want, but it gives nothing. Information on health funding has to be dragged out of the Government all the time. It is only this week that we read about it.
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Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We cannot have a long debate on this issue.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I ask for Dáil time to discuss the health budget. It is clear from HIQA's report that the Government starved Portlaoise hospital of the funding it needed and should have received in accordance with the announcement made by the former Minister for Health, Deputy James Reilly, at the joint committee to the effect that it was a band 3 hospital. HIQA stated it had never received the funding required to be a band 3 hospital. The Government gave €500 million to the health service at the end of last year, having left it €500 million short throughout the entire year. In two months of this year and three months after the budget, the Government added €70 million. We are not given any opportunity to discuss the health budget, nor do we receive any information on it. In stead of inactivity, I ask for Dáil time to discuss this very important issue.
Paul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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Perhaps Fianna Fáil's spokesperson might turn up.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Deputy Micheál Martin should look behind him before expressing his usual outrage.
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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There is so little work being done in the Dáil that next we will have summer statements.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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The Whips' meeting took place last Wednesday evening and Fianna Fáil's Whip was in attendance. A number of points were raised at that meeting. First, the Workplace Relations Bill was listed for debate this week. As there had been 238 amendments made to the Bill which was back from the Seanad, it was agreed by all of the Whips that it should be listed to be dealt with all week. As backup to the Bill, the Customs Bill was listed as a secondary element in the week's business. Fianna Fáil's spokesperson was not present this morning. The only person in attendance for the debate which lasted one hour and 15 minutes was Deputy Peader Tóibín of Sinn Féin. What Fianna Fáil proposed last week in respect of the Workplace Relations Bill was agreed to by the Government Whip. It was to have that Bill listed for discussion to deal with the 238 amendments which had been made to it during the course of this week. The Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation, Deputy Richard Bruton, was present this morning and the discussion lasted for one hour and 15 minutes. Second, the Customs Bill which had been listed as a potential second item at the Whips' meeting last week was taken in just a few minutes. Again, Fianna Fáil's spokespeople were not present.
As far as next week's sitting is concerned, the Whips' meeting last Wednesday dealt with a request from Fianna Fáil that the Dáil sit one day next week on Tuesday. That was consented to by the Government Whip because it is the week of the referendum.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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No, we received a note this morning indicating there was no Whips' meeting tonight.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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There is no point in the Deputy coming into the House and expressing his exasperation when his own spokesperson did not bother to turn up for a debate to which Fianna Fáil had agreed and in which 238 amendments to the Workplace Relations Bill had been listed to be discussed all week. The Deputy's intervention is off the mark. He should be discussing where the Fianna Fáil spokesperson was this morning.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call Deputy Gerry Adams on the Order of Business.
John Lyons (Dublin North West, Labour)
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Deputy Micheál Martin's spokesperson did not turn up.
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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There is a backup for every Bill.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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That is not the issue. We were told this morning by the Government Chief Whip, Deputy Paul Kehoe, that there would be no Whips' meeting tonight.
Paul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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There is no Private Members' business next week.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I have called Deputy Gerry Adams on the Order of Business.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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We were told this morning that there would be no Whips' meeting tonight.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I have called Deputy Gerry Adams. I ask Deputies to show some respect for the Chair.
Gerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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Whatever about Fianna Fáil's slightly abstentionist approach to this issue, there are deep underlying problems in getting a legislative programme through the House and having Opposition Deputies dealt with in accordance with their mandates and the respect due to everyone in the Chamber. That includes the issues we invariably raise on the Order of Business which are related to legislation or programme for Government commitments which have not been honoured or acted on by the Government. An example is the request I have consistently made for a debate on the North. Is it not important? Is it not serious? The Taoiseach acknowledged the last time I raised this the series of incidents that had occurred. Some issues have been made worse by the election of a Tory Government in London. The Taoiseach said we needed to do this. On health services, the Taoiseach cannot blame the media. Media coverage is likely to be of the little debacle we have had for the past hour as opposed to the serious issues raised during Leaders' Questions.
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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They would never do that.
Gerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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During Taoiseach's questions, we deal with issues and events five months after they had occurred. Yesterday we had 81 questions to the Taoiseach which were taken together. In the spirit of trying to work with the Government and other parties we must look at how our business is conducted. It is not good enough for the Taoiseach to come into the House and unilaterally make an announcement on specific questions which I wanted to ask and ask now.
In January the Minister for Health, Deputy Leo Varadkar, outlined health priorities. He promised new legislation to deal with a range of issues, including reducing the number of delayed discharges. Today 391 citizens are on trolleys, including 42 in Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital in Drogheda. Yesterday 447 were on trolleys. That is as bad as it was during the winter. Where is the legislation the Minister promised?
We were also told that the Garda Síochána (Amendment) Bill 2014 and the independent policing authority would be up and running by December 2014. They are not. We were then told that it would be done by the end of this year, but the scheme of the policing authority Bill was only published in November 2014 and the legislation has not been published. It is potentially one of the most important items of justice and policing legislation since the establishment of the State. Famously, it arose from management accountability practices within An Garda Síochána which saw a Minister and a Commissioner resign. The independent policing authority is a very important and essential part of all of this. Has the Government agreed a date for publication of the Bill?
In fairness to other Deputies, I will not raise the other matters I wanted to discuss. I ask for replies on the two important items of business - health priorities on the day that is in it and the establishment of an independent policing authority. Can we be given publication dates for the legislation on these matters that is due to be brought before the Dáil?
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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The Deputy raises a number of points about a debate on Northern Ireland. I have prepared a motion to be circulated to party leaders opposite in respect of what happened at Ballymurphy.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I gave the Deputy my word previously that if we could get agreement on it, or if people wanted to make arrangements for an adjustment, I was very happy to have a comprehensive debate on the North. I expect to receive the replies of Deputies Gerry Adams and Micheál Martin and others shortly.
On health services, we had Leaders' Questions yesterday. The Minister for Health was present yesterday and HIQA representatives are due to attend the joint committee at 4 p.m.
Gerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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I asked about legislation.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Obviously, health issues are of concern to everybody and are raised in the House frequently. The Deputy mentioned parliamentary questions yesterday. As I pointed out before, I answered those questions. In respect of European Council meetings, we have had pre-Council statements in the Dáil, as well as post-Council statements when many of the matters raised yesterday were discussed, although I appreciate the new information some Deputies brought to light. The Government has looked at the issues of patients on trolleys and the fair deal scheme and the extra €75 million granted in that regard. Clearly, the capacity to bring the waiting period for approval of a fair deal scheme application down from 18 weeks to four or five has been important. I take the point that the issue of patients on trolleys is one that is monitored on a daily basis.
Specifically, Deputy Gerry Adams referred to the independent policing authority. The Government cleared the Bill at the Cabinet meeting this week and it will be published either tomorrow or on Friday and will be taken in the Seanad first.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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May I raise a point of information?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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No, there is no point of information.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Taoiseach made a comment on Deputy Dara Calleary's absence this morning. The Deputy apologised to the Minister for Finance, Deputy Michael Noonan, last night. He attended the session last night. He indicated to the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation, Deputy Richard Bruton, that-----
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Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call Deputy Bannon.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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This is important. He is a diligent Deputy and he does not normally miss things. He apologised to the Minister, Deputy Bruton, last week that he would not be in a position to be here.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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He should have put in a substitute.
Simon Harris (Wicklow, Fine Gael)
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He should have sent someone.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I should have put that on the record, because the Taoiseach should not be playing that kind of sleeveen, smart aleck politics.
Regina Doherty (Meath East, Fine Gael)
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Deputy Martin brought up the matter.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Deputy Martin should have put in a sub. Who is his sub? Who is his junior?
Regina Doherty (Meath East, Fine Gael)
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I did not even know that he was not here.
Bernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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Deputy Martin dug the hole.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call Deputy Bannon.
James Bannon (Longford-Westmeath, Fine Gael)
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The Taoiseach saw-----
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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They were all technical amendments. Every one of them was technical.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I have called Deputy Bannon.
Regina Doherty (Meath East, Fine Gael)
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Deputy Martin was the one giving out about the fact that it was done too quickly.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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They were all technical amendments. It is disingenuous------
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Sorry. Please, please.
Regina Doherty (Meath East, Fine Gael)
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Deputy Martin has only himself to blame and no else.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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He apologised and he made it clear to the Minister that he could not make it.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will Deputy Martin please show some respect to the Chair?
Willie O'Dea (Limerick City, Fianna Fail)
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It is only fair that the record should reflect the reality.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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He is a leader of a party and I expect him, in particular, to show some example. Deputy Bannon is on his feet.
James Bannon (Longford-Westmeath, Fine Gael)
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I thank the Ceann Comhairle. The Taoiseach saw first-hand the great work undertaken by the traditional skills project in Longford which delivered trainees with skills related to the protection of our heritage and the refurbishment of St. Mel's Cathedral in Longford, which is due to be rededicated this Sunday.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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What Bill is the Deputy talking about?
James Bannon (Longford-Westmeath, Fine Gael)
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St. Mel's is a flagship for achievements. We should be continuing to encourage people to upskilll. When will the apprenticeship Bill come before the House? It is a very important Bill on training people in new skills.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I expect the Bill to be brought to Cabinet before the summer recess. The Minister of State, Deputy English, received some 90 responses following the public consultation for apprenticeship upskilling and training. Deputy Bannon's point is valid and the Minister is reflecting on it and that will be reflected in the Bill.
Michael Kitt (Galway East, Fianna Fail)
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There are two Bills on the A list dealing with industrial relations. I understand that there is another Bill to come before the House dealing with a superannuation scheme for supervisors in community employment schemes. These schemes have already lost a number of members. The supervisors, through the trade union movement, have made a strong case for a superannuation scheme. Some of these people have worked as supervisors for 20 years. They have been driving employment in communities, particularly in rural Ireland, as the Taoiseach probably knows. I would like to think the Government could bring forward the legislation or use this existing legislation to allow for a superannuation scheme for those supervisors.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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The two Bills referred to by Deputy Kitt will be taken as one Bill. They have been cleared and will be published this week. I will advise Deputy Kitt in respect of the matter regarding superannuation for supervisors.
Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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Reflecting for a moment and we are not under pressure because we have had a couple of suspensions and we have had the opportunity to stall business until later in the day, now is the time as a Parliament to think about what we are doing.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Hold on, this is the Order of Business.
Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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Exactly. The Ceann Comhairle has hit the nail on the head.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I can only rule what is in order on the Order of Business and what is not. One of the things that is not in order is having discussions about reflections.
Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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Perhaps if the Ceann Comhairle allowed me to develop an idea, there might be a fresh view rather than the uniform view----
Mary Mitchell O'Connor (Dún Laoghaire, Fine Gael)
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We do not need a survey
Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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-----taken by majority parties resulting in the control of this Parliament by a few parties and in Independents having no voice. I ask the Leaders-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Mathews will have to raise the matter some other way but not during the Order of Business.
Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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This is about proposed legislation.
Mary Mitchell O'Connor (Dún Laoghaire, Fine Gael)
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This is the Order of Business.
Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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It is not itemised. I am not giving it a label. I am speaking under the general umbrella of proposed legislation, in the omnibus sense.
Mary Mitchell O'Connor (Dún Laoghaire, Fine Gael)
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What is Deputy Mathews' question?
Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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We are making a mess of it because there are private Member's Bills and the contributions to debate and fresh ideas-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Mathews will appreciate that I have to stick to certain rules and regulations of which he is in breach.
Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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I implore the Ceann Comhairle. I do not often get an opportunity.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Mathews cannot make a chance on the Order of Business.
Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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We are not under pressure.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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What does the Deputy mean when he says we are not under pressure?
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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We have two hours.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am under pressure to adhere to the rules of the House.
Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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Given the schedule of the day, we are not under pressure.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call Deputy Durkan. Will Deputy Mathews please resume his seat?
Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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Let us have a few fresh ideas.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We are not having a debate now.
Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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I am not asking for a debate.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Where are we going then?
Mary Mitchell O'Connor (Dún Laoghaire, Fine Gael)
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He wants fresh ideas.
Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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Why can we not talk about the gambling control Bill during this void? If a building is empty, one tries to get temporary tenants. Why not have some temporary discussions and debate. Let us start thinking creatively.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call Deputy Durkan.
Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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The Taoiseach is in charge. He has the biggest majority ever in the history of this State and some legislation that is very important got no discussion, no consideration and no testing.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will Deputy Mathews please resume his seat?
Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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Other legislation has not even come up for discussion.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will Deputy Mathews please resume his seat?
Mary Mitchell O'Connor (Dún Laoghaire, Fine Gael)
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He is wasting time.
Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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May I get back on my feet? This is like line dancing. The whole thing is absurd.
Bernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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On promised legislation, what are the current whereabouts of the dual thermal energy Bill? It has been around for quite a while and I am wondering if it would be possible to bring it before the House before the end of this session. The National Archives (Amendment) Bill is to amend the transfer records rule from 30 years to 20 years. Many constituents are inquiring about that at the moment. Is it likely to come before the House in the near future?
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I do not have a date for the National Archives (Amendment) Bill. The minerals Bill is expected to be published before the end of May. Following the publication of that Bill, the focus will shift to the preparation for the geo-thermal Bill.
Mary Mitchell O'Connor (Dún Laoghaire, Fine Gael)
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When will the heads of the insurance Bill and the heads of the deposit guarantee scheme directive Bill be published? Will it happen before the end of this term?
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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The heads of those Bills have not come to Government yet.
Mary Mitchell O'Connor (Dún Laoghaire, Fine Gael)
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Have they not?
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I can advise the Deputy of the preparatory work that has been done and how far it is advanced.
Mary Mitchell O'Connor (Dún Laoghaire, Fine Gael)
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Is that on both Bills?
Willie O'Dea (Limerick City, Fianna Fail)
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The Taoiseach did not reply to Deputy Martin's suggestion to use the free time this evening to debate health. He specifically asked the Taoiseach if he was prepared to do that. Will the Taoiseach confirm if he is willing to do so? When is the Government review of the fair deal scheme going to be concluded? Given that he represents a constituency, as I do, the Taoiseach will be aware that this is going on longer than "The Forsyte Saga". In the meantime, there are 12 to 14 week delays at a cost of more than €1,000 per week for hard-pressed people. When will the review come to a conclusion and what is going to result from it?
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I cannot give Deputy O'Dea a precise date for the publication of the review. The Government made extra funding available so that the waiting period for families where a person has to be approved for the fair deal scheme has been reduced substantially from 18 weeks down to four to five weeks-----
Willie O'Dea (Limerick City, Fianna Fail)
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That is not the case in Limerick.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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-----which is very acceptable in the vast majority of cases given the administration required.
Willie O'Dea (Limerick City, Fianna Fail)
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It would be if that was reality.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I am happy to confirm that we can have a further health debate, and perhaps the Whips will make an arrangement as to when an appropriate day for that might be.
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Does the Taoiseach share my major concerns and the major concerns of the residents of Clontarf, Clontarf Road, Copeland Avenue and the Malahide Road about the proposed aviation fuel pipeline going from the Dublin docks to the airport? There are major public safety concerns and there is also the issue of loss of jobs to truck drivers in that industry. Will the Taoiseach convey my serious public safety concerns to the relevant authorities, Dublin City Council and the planning authorities? I raise this matter under the Dublin Docklands Development Authority Bill.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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The Dublin Docklands Development Authority Bill was cleared last week. Deputy Bruton has apprised me of some of the concerns in respect of the proposition mentioned by Deputy McGrath, but it is not listed for legislation.
Billy Timmins (Wicklow, Independent)
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When will the Planning and Development (No. 1) Bill, item no. 15 on the A list, be before the House? The Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government made an announcement recently about housing construction. I know that in one case he had no consultation with the local authority. Will the Taoiseach instruct the Minister to go back and agree with the local authority an order of priority on housing constructions? In my constituency, the areas that were selected are way down the list of priority.
In one area no water is supplied to housing. Will the Taoiseach ask the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government to re-examine the list? When will the Planning and Development (No. 1) Bill be before the House?
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Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy can submit a Topical Issue on that matter.
Billy Timmins (Wicklow, Independent)
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I have done so for the past two days.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I was not present. I will examine the matter tomorrow.
Billy Timmins (Wicklow, Independent)
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I suspected that the Ceann Comhairle was not present. I also tabled a parliamentary question on the matter but received an inaccurate response from the Minister. I want to afford him an opportunity to correct it.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is not a matter for the Order of Business. I cannot help the Deputy now.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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For the information of Deputy Billy Timmins, the Planning and Development (No. 1) Bill is known as the urban regeneration and housing Bill and its publication is expected shortly.