Dáil debates
Thursday, 17 January 2013
Order of Business
11:00 am
Brendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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It is proposed to take No. 11a, motion re membership of committees; and No. 17, Electoral (Amendment) (Dáil Constituencies) Bill 2012 - Second Stage (resumed). It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that No. 11a shall be decided without debate and in respect of the Social Welfare (Amnesty) Bill 2012, the Second Stage of which shall be considered tomorrow, the opening speech of the main spokespersons for Sinn Féin, Fianna Fáil, the Technical Group and of a Minister or Minister of State, who shall be called upon in that order and who may share their time and shall not exceed 15 minutes in each case; the speech of each other Member called upon shall not exceed 15 minutes and such Members may share their time; a Minister or Minister of State, who may speak twice, shall be called upon not later than 1 p.m. to make a speech which shall not exceed 15 minutes; and the main spokesperson for Sinn Féin shall be called upon to make a speech in reply which shall not exceed 15 minutes. In respect of the Education (Resource Allocation) Bill 2012, the Second Stage of which shall be considered tomorrow, the opening speech of the main spokespersons for Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin, the Technical Group and of a Minister or Minister of State, who shall be called upon in that order and who may share their time, shall not exceed 15 minutes in each case; the speech of each other Member called upon shall not exceed 15 minutes and such Members may share their time; a Minister or Minister of State, who may speak twice, shall be called upon not later than 4 p.m. to make a speech which shall not exceed 15 minutes; and the main spokesperson for Fianna Fáil shall be called upon to make a speech in reply which shall not exceed 15 minutes. Private Members' business which shall be No. 79, motion re further education and training (resumed), shall, in accordance with the order of the Dáil of yesterday, take place on the conclusion of Order of Business and shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 90 minutes.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is the proposal for dealing with No. 11a, without debate, agreed to?
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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No, it is not agreed. The motion before the House is incredible and represents an attempt by the Government, particularly the Labour Party, and Sinn Féin to suppress dissent and punish Members who voted against the cut to the respite care grant in the case of Deputy Keaveney in the Dáil. We are being asked to remove Deputy Keaveney from the Committee of Public Accounts, the Oireachtas Committee on European Affairs and the Oireachtas Committee on Transport and Communications because he voted with his conscience consistent with commitments he made before the last general election. This new Parliament in the aftermath of the last general election was meant to usher in a new democracy and a change in how we organise ourselves in the Parliament. The entire Parliament is being asked to punish a Deputy because he voted against the cut in the respite care grant cut. So we must now summarily remove him from three committees. I have no wish to remove Deputy Keaveney from any committee. He is an able member of these committees.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Likewise, Deputy Tóibín is being removed form the Oireachtas Committee on Investigations, Oversight and Petitions for his position on a motion relating to abortion. This is fundamentally wrong and illustrates that there is no intention on the Government side of reforming anything to do with this House or to change political behaviour or political actions.
Emmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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Fianna Fáil has certainly no intention of doing it.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Deputy Stagg was once a militant but you are now so far inside the tent, it is unbelievable and incomprehensible.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Martin should speak through the Chair.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I want to register my opposition to a Stalinist approach to the Parliament - remove anybody who articulates any dissent from any committee. It is a disgrace and it is wrong.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Would Members please settle down for a moment? In case Members did not hear me, I am asking them to be quiet. Is Deputy McDonald opposing this proposal?
Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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I want to-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is she opposing it?
Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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I am not opposing it.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Well then she will not speak on the matter. I call on Deputy Boyd Barrett. Only those opposing the motion can speak on the matter. Is Deputy Boyd Barrett opposing the motion?
Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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I am opposing it.
Brendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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Put in the word Stalinist.
Patrick O'Donovan (Limerick, Fine Gael)
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The Dún Laoghaire Soviet.
Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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In respect of Deputy Martin's comments, the phrase about the pot calling the kettle black comes rushing to mind.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Perhaps we could get on with the matter. Could Deputy Boyd Barrett address the issue?
Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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The amnesia has settled deep into the consciousness of Fianna Fáil because it used to regularly punish dissidents. Deputy Mattie McGrath over there-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will Deputy Boyd Barrett please address the motion? He is not to address Deputy Martin and is wasting time that other people want to use to raise issues.
Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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The substantive point is correct. The Government promised to be different. It promised a democratic revolution and a new level of accountability but is clearly closing down dissent through this move.
If we want to have a genuinely diverse Parliament, the idea that Members should be removed from these positions as soon as they disagree with the Government does not sit well with the promise of a democratic revolution. I oppose the proposal and think the Government should reconsider if it wants to act on a higher moral plain than its predecessors.
11:10 am
Bernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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We cannot have a revolution on a Thursday.
Brendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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I am heartened to see a kinder, gentler Fianna Fáil. I hope it will be replicated when there is further dissent.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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He is chairman of the Labour Party.
Brendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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Poor old Deputy Ó Cuív who was deputy leader of Fianna Fáil was silenced when an order of omerta was placed on him.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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He was not silenced.
Aengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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He was not removed from a committee.
Brendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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Whatever about being removed from a committee, it is interesting that he was silenced. I welcome the views expressed-----
Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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On a point of order, I wish to correct the record.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Does the Deputy know what a point of order is?
Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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I want to clarify what has been said.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is not a point of order.
Brendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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I do not know where Deputy Richard Boyd Barrett stood in respect of my poor constituency colleague. Was he throwing him out or keeping him in? There are normal processes for these matters and the proposal before the House is in accordance with what is normal.
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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This is about the Oireachtas.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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It involves committees of this House.
Tá
- Gerry Adams
- James Bannon
- Pat Breen
- Richard Bruton
- Joan Burton
- Ray Butler
- Jerry Buttimer
- Catherine Byrne
- Eric Byrne
- Ciarán Cannon
- Joe Carey
- Paudie Coffey
- Áine Collins
- Michael Colreavy
- Michael Conaghan
- Seán Conlan
- Ciara Conway
- Marcella Corcoran Kennedy
- Michael Creed
- Seán Crowe
- Jim Daly
- John Deasy
- Jimmy Deenihan
- Pearse Doherty
- Paschal Donohoe
- Robert Dowds
- Bernard Durkan
- Dessie Ellis
- Alan Farrell
- Frank Feighan
- Anne Ferris
- Martin Ferris
- Frances Fitzgerald
- Peter Fitzpatrick
- Terence Flanagan
- Brendan Griffin
- Simon Harris
- Tom Hayes
- Brendan Howlin
- Heather Humphreys
- Kevin Humphreys
- Derek Keating
- Paul Kehoe
- Alan Kelly
- Seán Kenny
- Seán Kyne
- Anthony Lawlor
- Ciarán Lynch
- John Lyons
- Pádraig MacLochlainn
- Eamonn Maloney
- Peter Mathews
- Michael McCarthy
- Mary Lou McDonald
- Sandra McLellan
- Tony McLoughlin
- Olivia Mitchell
- Mary Mitchell O'Connor
- Michelle Mulherin
- Dara Murphy
- Gerald Nash
- Dan Neville
- Michael Noonan
- Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin
- Aodhán Ó Ríordáin
- Aengus Ó Snodaigh
- Jonathan O'Brien
- Kieran O'Donnell
- Patrick O'Donovan
- John O'Mahony
- Joe O'Reilly
- Jan O'Sullivan
- John Perry
- Ann Phelan
- John Paul Phelan
- Ruairi Quinn
- Pat Rabbitte
- James Reilly
- Michael Ring
- Brendan Ryan
- Arthur Spring
- Emmet Stagg
- Brian Stanley
- David Stanton
- Billy Timmins
- Peadar Tóibín
- Joanna Tuffy
- Liam Twomey
- Leo Varadkar
- Jack Wall
- Brian Walsh
Níl
- Richard Boyd Barrett
- John Browne
- Joan Collins
- Niall Collins
- Clare Daly
- Stephen Donnelly
- Luke Flanagan
- Tom Fleming
- Noel Grealish
- John Halligan
- Séamus Healy
- Michael Healy-Rae
- Joe Higgins
- Colm Keaveney
- Billy Kelleher
- Séamus Kirk
- Michael Kitt
- Micheál Martin
- Charlie McConalogue
- Finian McGrath
- Mattie McGrath
- Catherine Murphy
- Denis Naughten
- Patrick Nulty
- Éamon Ó Cuív
- Seán Ó Fearghaíl
- Maureen O'Sullivan
- Thomas Pringle
- Shane Ross
- Brendan Smith
- Robert Troy
- Mick Wallace
11:20 am
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is the proposal for dealing with Second Stage of the Social Welfare (Amnesty) Bill 2012 tomorrow agreed to? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with Second Stage of the Education (Resource Allocation) Bill 2012 tomorrow agreed to? Agreed.
As the time allowed for the Order of Business has expired, we must move on to the next item of business.