Mr. Justin Kelly:

To pick up on the point the Senator made and the public may not fully understand this, we have spent a lot of time mounting operations to save the lives of people who are active criminals. It does not make a difference to us whether a person is a high-level organised criminal member. We have put considerable surveillance operations and all sorts of resources towards saving the lives of criminals, even some people who are involved in directing and facilitating these groups. For us, it is not even particularly about them but about their families and communities and the wider impact that what are colloquially known as gang-related murders have. That is the really important part. Mr. Boland has all the details of the numbers around this, but as I say, the violent end of it is one of our top priorities.

I referenced drugs-related intimidation earlier and what we are seeing in that area has really evolved. I realise we have limited time but while drugs-related intimidation has always been with us as part of the supply business, it has really evolved and the stories that we hear of the victims and families are very challenging. On a policing side, it is difficult for us to deal with them and try to maintain confidentiality. Obviously people are reluctant to come forward to us. Working out how to work through that is a real challenge for us.