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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: As other Deputies and Senators have done, I wish to pay tribute to Deputy Jackie Cahill. The one thing about this committee is that politics went out that door with everyone, in fairness to everyone here who worked together with him. The Chairman was very helpful. I have been in the Dáil for a few different agriculture committees and I found him to be one of the most helpful Chairs...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Were there more redundancies in that line of the business?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: It must be an unusual type of criteria because I see what is written in the newspapers about even politicians and what they get or are entitled to when they retire. The figures I see there are fairly substantial. How were they arrived at?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Am I correct in saying that in the report there was no formal written justification, or IHRB got no go-ahead from HRI, to sanction this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: They went ahead without approval.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I presume there is a board and different people in positions. How many of the people who were involved in making that decision are still there?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I do not care if there are 28. I am asking how many people are still there who decided to give a package without the go-ahead from HRI. Are any of them still on the board? Were there any sanctions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Who gave the go-ahead?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I refer to the jockeys fund. I cannot understand this and I ask Mr. O'Loughlin to explain it to me. The IHRB gets a budget to do its different things for the year. I refer to the amount of moneys that were unforeseen, we will say. I understand the jockeys one, where it was put over because there were cash flow problems, even though it was not the proper process. Then when the money came...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I know that but I am talking about the separate payment to the CEO.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I presume that when the yearly amount was agreed, this figure was not foreseen, to put it simply.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: What was done by the end of the year? Was this money picked up by someone? Obviously, the taxpayer picked it up in the end.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I am trying to find out the following. Of the budget agreed at the beginning of the year, whatever figure it was, was this money given to the IHRB to cover it, did it have to do without it or was something cut?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Would it be that big of a balance?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Was Mr. O'Loughlin there by the end of the year? When was he there?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: So Mr. O'Loughlin was there.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: We are sort of working in the dark, are we?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I understand that but I am only asking a simple question. When Mr. O'Loughlin came in, was there a shortfall of that figure in his books for the end of 2021?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Governance Issues: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (Resumed) (6 Nov 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Which services that the IHRB had budgeted for was money not given to?

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