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Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: I do not want anybody interjecting. Deputy Cannon has the floor. Deputy Cannon, without interruption.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. Loftus. The next committee member to speak is Deputy McAuliffe.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: We are going to take a break for ten minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: Let us stay with the building theme for the moment. We have had conversations about faulty school buildings in the past but I want to revisit the matter. I will try to keep my questions short and it would help if Mr. Loftus kept the answers pretty brief as well. On how many buildings with faults has remediation been done in the past ten, 12 or 13 years?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: How many overall? The question has nothing to do with legal cases.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: We are talking about 40.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: There are about 40 schools. What was the expenditure to date on these?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: I know that. There was a particular group of buildings. I am looking for a rough answer. I do not expect Mr. Loftus to have the exact figure. Roughly how much did we spend? Was it €30 million, €40 million €50 million?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: In the past ten or 12 years, the Department spent about €260 million on remediation works due to faults.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: How much?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: Are the 30% still before the courts?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: That is what I am trying to get at. The expenditure is around €260 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: I will come to that in a minute. Of the €260 million, how much relates to the Department and the public purse?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: At this point, what is the percentage of the €260 million?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: The full €260 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: I understand it if there are add-ons for climate-related improvements.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: I am trying to get the figure for remediation where there were faulty building works. There are 40 schools. How many construction companies are we talking about?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: One.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: The last day Mr. Loftus was here, this issue came up and I said that, while I did not want to be old-fashioned about it, I was struck by the fact that the response from the Department stated there is a design team and that the design team protects the interests of those individuals – in other words, the architects – employed on the project to oversee the interests of the school,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Loftus, please.

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