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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: I am conscious of the clock. I am also conscious that four Deputies want to speak. I will move on to the next round. I call Deputy Stanton followed by Deputies Gannon, Lawless and Berry.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: We will keep that until the next round, Deputy. We will be moving to the defence session in about ten minutes' time so I ask the Deputy to perhaps revisit that during that session.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: We have discussed a lot of areas in something of a comprehensive way. I would like Tánaiste to focus very briefly, if he could, on the position of children and young people, because that is a common theme running through what has happened over the last while and, indeed, looking at Ukraine and the earlier contribution by Senator Joe O'Reilly. He spoke about children in Ukraine and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: Thanks Tánaiste. Deputy Gannon is indicating and I will allow time for a brief supplementary question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: I thank the Tánaiste. I am keen to move on. We have a full house and we have to move on to the subject of defence. I thank the Tánaiste and his official, Ms Hyland, for their engagement. I also thank the Tánaiste for his words of condolence and, indeed, members of the committee for their words of condolence in respect of the brutal murder of Kim Damti, whose family are from...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: Does the Deputy have further questions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: In more general terms, I see that-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: Insofar as we were speaking-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: I feel that more can be done by the Department in liaising with us regarding the implementation of the various plans and progress reports.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: The experience with the representative association was such that it did not see the progress that the Department or the high-level implementation group saw. I felt that there was such a divergence of opinion on it that we wrote to you. We also wrote to the Minister for Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform, Deputy Donohoe. I believe there is a role for us here...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: Yes, but it is 95% of a small number.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: We have

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: We have been to Haulbowline, the Curragh and Baldonnel. We came back with a distinct impression that morale in the Defence Forces is very low.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: I thank the Tánaiste for that. Has it moved?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: That is fine. I am pleased I did. I think other members might too, in different areas. I am conscious of the clock. I am grateful to the Tánaiste for indicating on our request that he would deal with defence matters today. With that in mind we will hear from Deputies Berry and Cowen, followed by Senator Craughwell and Deputy Stanton.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: I do not want the Senator to go back on commitments he has made to himself-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Charles Flanagan: I want to allow the Tánaiste to complete his contribution.

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