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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: And after that-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: How many people are in this compliance unit?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Okay. We are certainly not going to talk about a particular agency or organisation with which there is Garda involvement. How many other organisations have been excluded as a consequence of this unit being set up and investigating that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: That was over what period of time?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Is there an ambition, instead of using agencies, to set up an actual public service?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Are those State or agency beds?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: It can be seen here that it is costing anyway but in fact it is more than a financial cost. There is a potential cost to very vulnerable children.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: What is the annual cost?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: We are looking at very vulnerable children.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: In regard to the family resource centres, very quickly, I had a look at the map. I am not familiar with family resource centres because there is not one in my constituency. Yet it is a constituency with high levels of growth and the age profile is very young. That is similar to the likes of County Meath, Fingal or south Dublin. I was looking at the spread and it does not seem to grow at...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: We know what needs to happen. Is it practically happening?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: We have just heard about the huge amount of money it costs annually.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Yet it does not transfer across. Let us say those behavioural issues get to the extreme where there has been a lack of therapeutic care. At a much lower level, that could be managed without it costing potentially €700,000 in the most extreme case.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, I know.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I am aware Ms Duggan is not here to answer that. There are, however, silos here and the system is not working in the best interests of very vulnerable people who need care. On the increase in whole-time equivalent staffing, Tusla was able to recruit people at administrative and managerial grades, whereas the number of social workers fell. That obviously means the caseload rose. The...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: What is the caseload like and how has it changed in the last couple of years?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Are there vacancies on the social work side and, if so, how many?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Is Tusla employing people on an agency basis to fill those gaps?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: How much did that cost?

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