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Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: It is 93,000. Of those, how many are getting-----

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: It does not matter. How many are getting one that is not reduced by means?

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: That means 81,000 get the full amount.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: The Minister is widening it faster than the cost-of-living rise, which is very welcome. She would expect a fair number of those recipients would come up to the full amount again. Is that not right?

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: However, it has not exceeded her Department's expectations, because the budget was bang on target at within €12 million of €1.4 billion. The point I am making again is that it does not seem this would open the floodgates, from looking at the figures. Why would anybody who could get €2,000 and who is disqualified on means grounds not take the €2,000?

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: However, the evidence on the ground is not too many people are going to leave €2,000 behind them.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: Then the Minister should start publicising it.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: People watching in are often confused by the Vote and the Social Insurance Fund. The Minister and I understand this. For the record, can she confirm, in simple terms, that the Vote covers the expenditure on schemes that are, for example, are means-tested, etc.? The Social Insurance Fund is money people get as of right as they have paid social insurance. What the Minister is telling us...

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: It is a significant amount of money. The other issue that has been a concern to me is that our focus is the need to support families. Every child growing up is potentially a worker and every worker is a contributor. Most people contribute from their 20s to their 60s. Some are contributing much later; way beyond that. For the bulk, those are the years they are contributing. If our...

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: I appreciate that, but I will watch with interest whether the further relaxation of the means test, which is quite considerable, is going to cause this projected tsunami. I predict the Minister is going to come back next year and say the figures are bang on target because this is not causing a tsunami and is not the cause of the increase in carers. There are lots of people caring who have...

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: She cannot say.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: I have a final question, since it comes down to money. The CE supervisors got some arrangement on the pensions.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: I understand there was a recommendation made and it is floating around somewhere between the Minister's Department and the Department of public expenditure in relation to Tús and RSS supervisors.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: As the Minister knows, those working on the RSS and Tús are paid considerably less and they did not benefit from the package put together for the CE supervisors, to my knowledge. I understand it is in the system. There was a recommendation made but it did not get through.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: I ask the Minister to.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: All right. It is a matter that will keep festering until it is settled.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: Only for the CE workers, not for those on the RSS. Of course, it was always going to be a knock on. I could not understand why the lot could not have been dealt with.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 37 - Social Protection (Supplementary)
(16 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: It was always going to be a knock on that RSS supervisors were going to say, "Me too", and they are right to say that.

Saincheisteanna Tráthúla - Topical Issue Debate: Ambulance Service (15 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: That is not the issue. How do you get to that service? How do you get to the airfield if the person lives or is located two miles away.

Saincheisteanna Tráthúla - Topical Issue Debate: Ambulance Service (15 Oct 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: Doctors are trained.

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