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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Alan Kelly: I thank the Minister and to the committee for facilitating me. I have a number of questions. I will direct the first to the Minister. I am one of these people who thinks there are two sides to every story. I have huge issues with BAM and how this was designed from day one. If we all went at it again we would not go at it the way it has been done. That is across politics and across...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Stephen Donnelly: In response to the Deputy's first point, are there lessons we can and have learned? Most definitely. Mr. Tierney is the lead in the Department of Health on the National Maternity Hospital and on the elective hospitals and there was a comprehensive piece of work done which Fiona Ross fed into as well. It has to be remembered we are commencing five other hospitals-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Alan Kelly: Yes, I get that. I will concentrate on this one in the limited time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Stephen Donnelly: Lessons have most definitely been learned. Regarding the criteria for June, I will give my understanding of it. I fully accept BAM may agree or disagree with that. Where I believe we got to was that it was willing to stand over the June deadline with a proviso that there were not design changes that would reasonably delay the project. You might have very minor design changes. In fact,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Alan Kelly: It would not be reasonable.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Stephen Donnelly: Yes. We would have to accept that. Where I believe we have got to is that there would be no substantive design changes. Obviously, I cannot speak for BAM. It may have a different view but certainly that is my clear understanding.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Alan Kelly: How many changes have there been since?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Alan Kelly: There has been changes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Alan Kelly: The Government has set aside €0.5 billion to finish off this project.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Stephen Donnelly: It has committed a totality between the commissioning and the project of €2.2 billion.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Alan Kelly: We know the standing conciliator has made big award towards BAM. What is the €0.5 billion for?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Stephen Donnelly: Ms Ross can correct me if I am wrong-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Alan Kelly: The Minister said before that not a penny more would be given. What is the €0.5 billion more for if it is not a penny more? The standing conciliator has made awards on a number of occasions, unfortunately for the taxpayer. What is that money for if the standing conciliator is making all these awards and the Minister is saying there is not a penny more? A standing conciliator is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Stephen Donnelly: I will address the point on claims very quickly and then ask Mr. Tierney to give the Deputy the detail.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Alan Kelly: Briefly, yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Stephen Donnelly: The totality of claims is €863 million. To date, there has been an agreed €31 million against that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Alan Kelly: Can you answer on how much the conciliator has actually given? In other words, the next step is the courts obviously. What is that total?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Stephen Donnelly: To the best of my knowledge, Ms Ross can correct me if I am wrong, there has been one major recommendation in BAM's favour.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Alan Kelly: Yes. One is €108 million and there are 17 or 18 others.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Stephen Donnelly: The main one is €107 or €108 million. That is strongly contested by the board and that is going before the courts. The advice I have from the board is that it has a very strong case on that. If the Deputy would like Ms Ross to say more, she can.

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