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- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
Gino Kenny: I second that.
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
Gino Kenny: No.
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
David Cullinane: I want to deal with the funding side. I am aware that some of this was dealt with earlier, but I want to circle back on some of the issues that were raised. There is a huge number of outstanding claims. BAM has placed a value of about €800 million or whatever on these. That has been disputed by the Minister, the State and, obviously, the board. Where we have total agreement is...
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
David Cullinane: It is my understanding - the Minister might confirm this - that those claims centred around delays. While the total ask from BAM or the value BAM put on it might have been double what was awarded it was still awarded €108 million. How in God's name was it awarded €108 million if, as the board has stated, the delays were almost entirely or exclusively down to the contractor?...
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
David Cullinane: I am sorry, I asked the Minister.
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
David Cullinane: I know it is, and it can be appealed to the court. The standing conciliator made a recommendation or however you want to put it. The conciliator adjudicated and made a recommendation in the amount of €108 million. The board contested this. I accept all of that. I went through this with the board. It was, however, the decision of the standing conciliator. Is that correct? The...
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
David Cullinane: Ultimately, any of these claims may well end up in the court. It could be the High Court that decides this claim or any others if they are not resolved. Neither the Minister, Ms Ross, Mr. Tierney nor can guarantee what a court is going to do. If the matter goes to court and there is about €800 million in claims involved, it is conceivably possible or probable, given the...
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
David Cullinane: My question is more straightforward. Hypothetically, the matter could go to court and there could be a judgment. We do not know what the amount involved might be. How can the Minister guarantee that it will not go above €2.2 billion? Surely it is impossible to say because it is out of his hands, my hands or anybody else's hands.
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
David Cullinane: I ask the Minister to hear me out. I am not saying it is the wrong strategy. The Minister and the board have told us not a penny more will be paid. Either BAM walks away from its claim or a deal is done. I asked the board if there was a possibility of a deal and was told it did not see it or it would go to court. Does anybody see the contractor walking away from it? No. The Minister...
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
David Cullinane: I just want another 20 seconds.
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
David Cullinane: I am not suggesting the Minister go into every single detail, but cover the headline issues of feet on the ground, the data we have been presented with and rooms not completed. Those certainly should have been front and centre.
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
David Cullinane: That is what I meant.
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
Róisín Shortall: Could you-----
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
Róisín Shortall: How is the standing conciliator appointed?
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
Róisín Shortall: There is no option to change that person.
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
Róisín Shortall: I would like to have that clarified because it is a key point.
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
Róisín Shortall: Following on from the Minister's meeting with Royal BAM, when he was asked if he had confidence in the June 2025 date, he listed out things and said if this happens, if that happens and if the other happens. There are a lot of “ifs” and there is really nothing concrete coming out of the meeting other than the Minister saying he had confidence that they would deliver by that date.
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
Róisín Shortall: I thought the Minister said earlier “if they do” a number of things.
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
Róisín Shortall: The Minister said “if they do” a number of things that he listed. That requires a considerable leap of faith. We have been in this same position for a number of years, namely, if BAM does various things, everything will be fine. What is the arrangement for monitoring that those commitments will be adhered to?
- Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)
Róisín Shortall: It is fine to say it but who is actually doing that and who is reporting on it?