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Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: Now she also said, ''I am crystal clear here. [on page 83] We did not have the resources that were needed to supervise these banks.'', and she'll ... she gave some evidence as you are probably aware, of her own attempt to get more resources for further supervision. So, you were a board member at that point. What do you recall about that or did it come to the board?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: Yes-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: But did you know, for example, Mr. Dunne, that there were only two or three people supervising, say, two of the big banks, and then two other big banks only had two or three people super ... were you aware of that detail?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: And were you happy with the level of supervision?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: Ah, okay. So Mary Burke's observation, for example, that she says, crystal clear, "We didn't have enough, even though I asked for it"; are you saying you knew that she had said that? Or were you just looking at what the executive brought to you, where they may already have made a decision to not allocate to her particular department?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: Okay.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: So ... so when ... so you disagree with Mary Burke when she said, "We didn't have enough resources".

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: So despite, actually, what you agreed they never even got those?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: So there was a cut off?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: Okay, and why was that not then ... you couldn't pursue that any further as a board member-----?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: Finally, Mr. Dunne, you say, yourself, that there was a lack of clarity over who was responsible for what, and you're talking here about the separation of the Central Bank and the Financial Regulator?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: So that's probably ... I mean, that's quite a serious allegation to make, so can you tell us about how that manifested itself?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: So there wasn't a clear line of communication, are you saying, between the regulator and the bank?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: Thank you, Chair.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: Thanks, Chair. I just have three or four questions, Chair. I know you weren't ... IBEC wasn't ... you were past ... but banks would have been members of IBEC, would they?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: Yes, okay. Can I ask you, the National Treasury Management Agency made clear to us that they left nobody in any doubt but that they were not, if you like, happy with the state of Irish banks between 2007 and 2008 and didn't place deposits with those banks, unless directly instructed by the Minister. Was that a matter that came to the Central Bank or the Financial Regulator that the NTMA was...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: It was never raised at the ... at a board meeting?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: Mr. Begg?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: And you weren't aware yourselves that this was happening?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (22 Jul 2015)

Susan O'Keeffe: Now, Mr. McDonagh in his evidence said when the NTMA became involved in mid September 2008 as the crisis was now becoming a crisis, he said: [It was really] it really was a bit mind-boggling, certainly to me and I think certainly ... the same with my colleagues ... that there seemed to be no real knowledge of the banks. There's one or two people on each bank. [This goes back to the...

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