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Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Stability Programme Update: Discussion (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: No, but the Minister has not given a commitment. Why may it not be provided? Is it because the Government does not know at this stage? What is the rationale?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: I thank our guests for coming before the committee today. I really appreciate the opening statements and we will get straight into it. Obviously, the committee is holding these hearings on our request to try to assist the homeowners in terms of the plight they are going through. Some of what they have heard in the opening statements will annoy them. I refer in particular to the points...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Mr. Rafferty is talking about speedy implementation and all the rest. Why does he think the BPFI brought the proposal to the Department in July? Does he think it dreamed it up one day sitting across the road? Is it not the case homeowners were telling them they had problems with upfront costs? They were also telling the Department. In July of last year, the BPFI had developed a proposal...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Did they dispute that at the April meeting?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Let us be clear: they disputed that at the April meeting and when Mr. Rafferty said this was well received, those are not the full facts. The homeowners' representatives are quite annoyed at this process. Is that not a fact? They are disputing what Mr. Rafferty is saying on the record of this committee, which is that they said it was only for professional fees. It is important because...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: When did Mr. Rafferty put them out?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Mr. Rafferty did not put them out in January. Did you put them out in February or even March? The homeowners were looking for those minutes for quite a while, were they not? They came to me and we asked for those minutes. Usually minutes are agreed after a meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: When were they released?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Was it February or March?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Is it possible that it was April?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Let me say this here-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Okay, so the proposal was not well received by the homeowners. Is that a fair reflection?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Okay. In relation to the minutes, let me make it clear these are people who have defective blocks themselves. There are voluntary people travelling up and down to Dublin and doing online meetings. Did they ask for the minutes after the meeting when reflections were clear in their mind?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: These are minutes of a meeting. It is not going to take half a day to type them up. It is better to type them up after the event than two months later, which happened in these circumstances. Then you are into a situation where you are disputing the recollection of people who attended the meeting - laypeople, people who are volunteering and people trying to give an input how people feel...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: What is the proposal then? The Minister has heard this. I have raised it with him numerous times. If he were to turn around to Mr. Rafferty and say, "Mr. Rafferty, please develop a scheme that would help with upfront payments", Mr. Rafferty would respond. He is here as the face of the Department, so I am not personally making the claims against him, but I have to represent my constituents...

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