Róisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Social Democrats)

That does not make sense in the real world. Is any other country taking this approach? It would be great if nobody smoked but the reality, unfortunately, is that lots of people still smoke and it does them damage. The Minister is saying that we know anecdotally that smokers who use vaping as a means of ceasing smoking, or at least reducing it, find it very beneficial. Is that something to be encouraged or is it not? The fiscal policy seems to be discouraging it. It is hard for the Minister to hear what I am saying when his officials are talking to him.