Paul Murphy (Dublin South West, RISE)

I have a final question and then will go to CIF. A big issue here is vacant properties. They already exist and have a lot of embodied carbon. Even if they are in bad condition, full retrofits are still a fraction of the cost of building new properties. What is the main obstacle, as Ms Jammet sees it, to bringing vacant properties into use, which will obviously significantly reduce material throughput in the construction sector?