John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

The point is that roughly 500 people work in this area. Nobody in that section, even when the board was there, raised the issue relating to arrangements for section 38 and 39 agencies. From the start of the HSE in 2005, some 500 people were employed to examine financial figures and nobody examined the section 38 and section 39 matters.