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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I find it hard to understand but, reading the documentation, I can see how the bypassing-overruling manufactured meetings argument takes place but it is still the governing authority that has to make the final decision. The governing authority cannot be overruled or bypassed.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: When the €10.9 million became €11.9 million, did that not go back to the governing authority and did somebody not say "Hold on a second, what's going on here?"? I know what was passed by the governing authority was €10.9 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I saw that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: That is incredible. So essentially, after finding out that there was an excess of €1 million to paid, which was then cut in half or a bit more than that, that balloon payment never went through the governing authority. The going around or going over continued to that level. Would it be fair to say that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: It was all in one.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: There are only two of us left standing. There are five or six issues I wish to raise. This is like an episode of Hamlet without the prince. The prince was across the road in some establishment texting people here the last time. The prince is not here this time. Does Professor Kilcommins know who the chief corporate officer was texting at the last meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Anyone else?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I want to ask everybody here from UL a general question. In my previous interaction with Professor Kilcommins, I found him to be a very valid and considered witness. We went through the conversations and got to a point where there was a feeling that meetings were manufactured to go around the process in order to get to a point where this transaction took place. Is there anybody here from...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Does Mr. Field have a different view from Professor Kilcommins? Better still, will he outline the concerns in the memo and when it was sent - briefly, as I am caught for time?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Rightly so.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Who did you write to?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Where did that go?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: What happened afterwards?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: If you could be brief, as the time I have is limited.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Did you put that in writing?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Is that minuted?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Who wrote the minutes?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Field's evidence is compelling and very good but he would not disagree with my opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Okay, but as regards the process this went through, Professor Kilcommins agreed with me that the circumstances by which this decision was made at various meetings and the presentation of information created a strong possibility of a certain outcome. Would that be fair enough? Would that be a fairer, more diplomatic way of saying it?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Would anyone disagree with any of that?

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