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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Was that individual not the person who proposed this?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I have gone through the list of dates of various meetings, both formal and informal, at a governing and executive level. Did Professor Kilcommins ever express concerns about this project at any of these meetings?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Did anyone else express concern at an early stage?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: By whom?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Was there anyone else?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: What happened when those concerns were raised?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Professor Kilcommins must remember that there are thousands of people watching this meeting. All of these eminent individuals, including the solicitor, expressed concerns and the project still moved forward. How did that happen without somebody at a very senior level acknowledging that all of these people had concerns and asking if they should not re-examine the matter?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I read that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: To anybody looking at this objectively, it is utter madness. We have four or five eminent people, probably more, at different times basically saying they have concerns in respect of what was happening. Two external reports stating that there were issues in relation to valuations and other issues came in, and yet the project still proceeded to the next level.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: It almost comes across from Professor Kilcommins last statement that the series of meetings moved this to the next level. There was almost a manufacturing process.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I am just summating that from the evidence Professor Kilcommins has given to all three of us. Would that be a fair assumption?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: They were being bypassed.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: It is the same thing.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: That is startling evidence. I have been at this for a number of years and that is startling evidence.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I know. That is why I said it is like a soap opera or a miniseries. Was there an attempt at any stage in recent years to change the role of the chief corporate officer?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I ask that in light of the concerns Professor Kilcommins has outlined.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: What happened?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I am not getting into the individual's name or anything like that. I am just basically asking whether, given the concerns Professor Kilcommins outlined in regard to the meetings, anyone said that there was a need to reorient - perhaps more than just one role - or rejig roles? Was there any attempt to do that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: To a separate-----

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