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Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Business of Committee (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: At the request of the broadcasting and recording services, members are reminded to ensure that their mobile phones are turned off or put on flight or safe mode. Today's proceedings will be broadcast live on Virgin Media channel 207, eir Vision channel 504 and Sky channel 574 until 2 p.m. We will now go into private session to deal with any other business.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: This meeting was convened for the purpose of the consideration by the select sub-committee of the Social Welfare 2015 which was referred to it by orders of the Dáil on 5 and 10 November. The Bill gives effect principally to the social welfare measures announced in the Budget Statement on 13 October which are generally due to take effect in early 2016. They provide for increases in...

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Amendments Nos.1, 3, 34 to 38, inclusive, and 41 will be discussed together.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Amendments Nos. 4, 5, 7 and 8 and 14 to 21, inclusive, are related and will be discussed together.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: On that point regarding the legislation, are there issues such as, for example, payments that were more specific to one gender or the other? I am thinking of the deserted wives payment and while it may not arise any longer, would amendments be necessary to legislation?

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Amendment No. 6 has been ruled out of order as a potential charge on the Exchequer. Basically, this is because the amendment proposes a further increase in the contributory State pension above the increases proposed in the Bill. As this amendment could involve a charge on the Exchequer, it therefore must be ruled out of order in accordance with Standing Order 156(3).

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: What is the overall cost?

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Obviously, there are those who receive the contributory pension on a pro ratabasis.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: That would be included in the contributory category.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Some people receive a partial contributory pension.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Amendment No. 9, in the name of Deputy Willie O’Dea, proposes a further increase in the State non-contributory pension above the increase provided for in the Bill. As it could involve a charge on the Exchequer, it must, therefore, be ruled out of order in accordance with Standing Order 156(3). Amendment No. 10, also in the name of Deputy Willie O’Dea, seeks to exempt...

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: The committee discussed this previously with the Minister. My understanding was that the Minister stated that those having to retire who were not of the age of the retirement pension would not have to be available for work but that they could get the jobseeker's allowance. It is the same question. I realise that it is more due to the rules of the House that this amendment was ruled out of...

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Exactly.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Where is it written out?

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: To the committee even.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: That is what we were told previously. I understood that at the very least there were plans to have a transition a little like what is there for the lone parents. When the Minister of State says there is a relaxing of the rules, how is it relaxed if one still has to be available?

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: It is obviously not as sympathetic as, say, the transition jobseeker's payment for lone parents.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Can it be part-time work or does it have to be full-time work?

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: It would be the Oireachtas that would have ruled that out of order in accordance with Standing Orders. It would not be the Minister who ruled that out of order.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Social Protection: Social Welfare Bill 2015: Committee Stage (11 Nov 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Yes.

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