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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: That in itself is a statement, so that is fine. There are two further things. Dr. Wall outlined to my colleagues, Deputies Devlin and Murphy, that he initiated discussions once concern had been raised. I presume there is documentation with UL and with the Department on that correspondence and phone calls. I do not want a response------

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: In relation to this issue. Will Dr. Wall provide all of it to this committee by return? That is all I ask. Professor Laffan provided a strong statement in which she said there would be consequences. Does she expect in the near future there will be a senior management review and significant changes? I live among people who work and go to college in UL. I drove my children around UL and...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I do not understand why.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I did not say any specific individual. I am talking in general. Will there be changes?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Does Professor Laffan foresee the possibility of changes at management level in the university? I think it is in her interest to answer this directly.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: That is, unfortunately, a weak answer. It was going pretty well until then.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: We have made the effort to be here.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Yes, thanks.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: If somebody needs a break, that is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Okay. On that last question, it is quite obvious that there was a failure in the governing authority to ask questions with regard to this issue. We could not possibly say that the right documentation was not put in front of them. However, if a governing authority has enough people with enough financial background, in particular, they would know the documentation is in front of them in the...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: So is the total €5.3 million?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Is that the loss?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: There is a huge governance issue here. From my perspective and from all the knowledge I have in relation to UL, there is quite good academia and research there. The production is fantastic, and I say that as somebody who lives locally. For all of that to continue, however, corporate governance has to dramatically improve because there will be reputational damage, as Deputy Catherine Murphy...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Professor Kilcommins might come to my question.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Professor Kilcommins does not see the need for any changes.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I understand all that. What if Professor Kilcommins had a crystal ball, for instance? Does Professor Kilcommins see the exact same team in place in two or three years' time?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: The reason I asked Professor Kilcommins the same question essentially in different ways is because people who knew want me to ask. I am just telling Professor Kilcommins that. I have given them both a chance.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: One last question, which I do not think has been asked by anyone, is a question maybe we should have started off with. Given the situation we have with accommodation in Ireland, was there any consideration given to why a university was buying accommodation such as this in the first place? I know the pressure is being put on by the former Minister, now Taoiseach, and all of that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I had to get a bus service from Tipperary for you, but anyway. It is working well.

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